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diametrically different from what you

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certainly just heard you want to know

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who I am and what I do this is what

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folks think if you want to play in this

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arena that by the way there's about two

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hours in about 15 minutes so it's going

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to really go fast if you want to play in

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this arena there's a couple things you

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better have a sense of humor you better

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have a j-job because not much if it pays

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and you also better understand

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conspiracy theory because you're part of

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it by UFO by definition UFOs must exist

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that doesn't say anything about what

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they are and the evidence supporting

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physical reality is simply overwhelming

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I have good news and bad news the good

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news is the government has been telling

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you the truth about your UFOs

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doesn't include the Roswell reports

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however bad news is government's been

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telling you the truth about UFOs they

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simply don't care I'm going to get to a

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lot of that in a minute you look out it

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says y'all share the Pentagon says let's

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understand the Pentagon doesn't say

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anything the Pentagon is a big building

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variety of opinions so when you hear the

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Pentagon says just delete it want to

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address the Condon report right here on

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a Colorado this was extremely damaging

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to this very day problem was that

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actually Condon was right because the

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question to him was not are there a UFOs

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it is is there a threat 50 years past no

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threat no attack but he didn't

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participate he wrote the summary

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recommendations and conclusions and it

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got if you read the report the

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conclusions are inconsistent with a body

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of the report which says UFOs are real

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however what this dad was made the

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scientific community believe to this day

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that UFOs have been thoroughly

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investigated and what happens is this

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this is an example of a couple of

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reports these are from a scientific

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American Board of Atomic Scientists ad

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hominem attacks on me and the

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interesting thing is the topic was my

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work at los alamos our non-lethal

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weapons but because of association with

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this field chose to attack biggest

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problems are this people simply don't

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understand how big systems work and how

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the government systems work total lack

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of critical thinking they usually go

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into the whole thing on earth go fusion

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here I haven't got it but the the

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biggest issue is you have a lot of

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people vitally interested in UFOs I

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think it's terribly interesting but

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they're simply not important - most

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people need to understand how large

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institutions work thinking when you're

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going to be talking about what goes on

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in the government they exist to serve

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themselves their real base they have

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priorities priority number one's

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retaining power remember the golden rule

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but there's an important thing when you

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remember for the u.s. government

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there is no Department of good ideas

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UFO community thinks if UFOs there

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fortunately I'll do it frankly there's

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nobody out there with that mission

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probably should be but the Ergo fusion

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that UFOs do not necessarily equal the a

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t-bob address that something there but

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there's a whole host of things where the

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community makes big leaps an assumption

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about if this therefore what it means

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topic that does not repeat does not

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translate to official institutional

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interest now in the conspiracy realm all

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come back to this there's a whole host

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of folks to talk about unacknowledged

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special access program talking about are

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the alien re-engineered reproduction

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vehicles we talked about huge amounts of

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money going off to some to them whoever

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them are I've heard as high as a

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trillion dollars anybody who says that

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kind of money has is totally without

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oversight from either the executive or

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the legislative branch simply doesn't

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the US government works they certainly

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don't know much about the black budgets

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fiercely are competitive now you want

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proof that our does not exist this is it

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because ours is not about little widgets

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flying around it's about energy if we

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had alternative energy sources if you

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wouldn't see this if you believe this

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you got to believe that there's a bunch

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of dastardly bastards out there who are

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willing to self-immolate and bring down

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the rest earn world just to keep this

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secret Corsican under we had the

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about Phil years before a year after or

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the day after Roswell bottom line is

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this none of the technology claims are

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real check them in in great detail nice

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guy it was in a number of the place is

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greatly inflated CV but the technology

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simply not real what what I did do is

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advanced theoretical physics group was

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made up by reps from all the services

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scenario was Raiders of the Lost Ark

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something crashed had it looked at it

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couldn't figure it out took it out to

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lot of stuff we could learn if we

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understood it and here's the problem

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don't know whether they exist or not we

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can't tell that is a problem here are

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eyewitness reports scientific community

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the night scene once not necessarily

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true they sometime recur for

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thousands of time some of them will talk

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credible lots and lots of physical

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evidence they say there's no physical

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evidence when they say that simply don't

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know all of the physical evidence that's

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available we're going to a few of the

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cases here now the are b-47 case was

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interesting about this take away this

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triple-a yes put out a very interesting

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story comes out definitely real

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satellites do see them I was in NORAD

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headquarters just on the way in the

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fascinating their response

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you mean UFOs the answer is yes that

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mid-80s so the answer is systems do pick

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them up they do come in a cash Landrum

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real to mérida boys severely irradiated

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helicopters weren't there

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locations seeing something's really big

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perspective you got a big aircraft there

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communication turned off the missile

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systems with centrist sayings that shut

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that went on for about three hours but

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the point here the difference is notice

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the time of the report itself find out

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that echo sites down how significant is

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this mean time between failures that

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simultaneously never could figure out

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what a well Soviets went the other way

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have one where we've got a UFO hovering

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this minor feet across you've got

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hundreds of people observing and sitting

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there for a long period of time what the

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difference there is their missiles

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started spinning up they were getting

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ready to go to war and the guys inside

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the chamber couldn't stop it scared the

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hell out and disassembled it again

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couldn't figure out what it was bent

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a Chuck halt it was a deputy base

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commander lots of physical evidence

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his I'd like talking about the UFOs he

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saw you mean that when I touched these

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things landed off the end of the base at

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Bentwaters what's not known is well

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known as it happened about three times

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initially what's not known is this

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continued for another month periodically

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people going out there and looking at

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them but hard evidence including plaster

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belgium case what's interesting about

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this is you got the Brower who is the

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became chief of staff the Belgian Air

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Force chased these things around

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more recently st. Louis triangles again

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this goes on for a number of miles

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police agency after police agency

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chasing it going very slowly then zips

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off Phoenix lights there's a new movie

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bad news here's Stuart Symington I'm

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sorry five Symington who was the mayor

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went I'm sorry governor went public and

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said ain't this awful hahahaha brought a

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guy in uniform just up as an alien more

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recently he's come forward and said I

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saw them too so gives you an idea of how

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the government thinks about it

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a whole host of other aircraft sightings

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the one down here at the bottom though I

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threw in Igor mall stuff this is a UFO

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guys saying skeptics shouldn't believe

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that UFOs are real what's so significant

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about this is his predecessor was fly or

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fired when a Cessna landed in Red Square

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yet here's the guys hang we got stuff

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flying around and one bad experience

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won't go into that my first-hand

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evidence is when people say you know

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Edwards the guy you know here this is a

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teller at my house as he'll put off of

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course talking about zero-point energy

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or discussed UFOs in some detail

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interested but no specific knowledge the

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guy they say has all this this has been

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rich also a friend of mine he was the

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second president of skunkworks bunch of

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the sr-71 and the f17 had a shopping

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list everybody says they're the guys

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that built it he was interested had a

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shopping list definitely didn't have the

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system went to this guy he was then the

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head of Star Wars put him in shock he

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was definitely unknowledgeable of the

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topic and thought this was too hot to

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handle it thought was interested but too

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hot to handle

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could be wrong don't think so

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2001 we were working on congressional

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hearings and there were charter drafted

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because I drafted it the guy who stopped

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it was Sensenbrenner who was then they

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had a spatial technology they offered

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for a Peter strike and me to go brief

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him he wouldn't even talk to us

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ta Shias this is what we said you've got

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to have if you're gonna run

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congressional hearings the

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recommendations are how to hold it but I

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asked the congressman and involves if

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you take a twenty point yet this is not

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politically enhancing he said yes at the

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time what killed us was when the

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disclosure project came to town beating

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the drum said ain't it awful problem is

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they got a few good guys a lot of them

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that are just pure flock as soon as this

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hit Congress ran for the hills

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I had throw this one and because this is

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the kind of thing you got to put up with

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in there this was April 13th of this

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year you know there's a guy he's gonna

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speak for the human species where are we

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today yeah this is kind of I think tells

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us where the American public is at the

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time who cares bottom line is not a lot

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of people through a few folks who care

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passionately there's a huge difference

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between personal interest and

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institutional interests and believing in

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UFOs is very different from carrying

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about this as a major topic conclusions

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of this huggers Bob this is a global

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phenomenon shows up all over a world

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physical reality of some of these things

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I think is proven beyond all reasonable

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doubt there's massive amounts

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multi-sensory data to support those

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things despite overwhelming evidence

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reality is rejected by most scientists

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who simply refuse to look at the data

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the public is basically curious but

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ambivalent the media always ridicules if

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you've watched any of the programs and

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then the bottom line here is sort of

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today's problems are so overwhelming

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that we don't you know this is really

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put on the back burner burner so if you

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think you're going to move this forward

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we have five minutes for questions what

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do you think of Bruce macabees analysis

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of the Phoenix lights

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what do you think of Bruce maccabees

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analysis of the Phoenix lights as being

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military flares they're definitely not

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military flares I'll tell you why the

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initial sighting was near where I live

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I'm from Las Vegas they were seen near

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Henderson Nevada time-synchronized over

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Kingman Arizona Prescott Arizona down to

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Phoenix anton's has got if you got

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military flares that can go that

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distance really interesting the other

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problem you have specifically about

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Bruce's name and we've discussed it is

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it's not a one-time phenomena this has

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been going on for years and continues to

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be a photograph but not in that level of

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detail there was much more than two and

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again it goes on for years now planes

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dropped some flares if the main thing

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was flares they are the big

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court-martialed because they were way

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bristling I agree I said he's got some

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interesting analysis triangulation I

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don't think supports it

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nor does that when you have the people

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we're standing there who were looking up

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and watching the stars blacked out as

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whatever it is went straight above them

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I think the most damning thing is the

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one I mentioned about the governor who

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you know puts it up as hahaha and then

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years later admits that he was a

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personal witness to the to the event but

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it tells you something about how

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governments respond John any supposition

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as to the intention or reason for these

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I'm sorry

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any do you have any personal

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suppositions as to the reason or purpose

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for this phenomenon reason for problem

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I've lost something what are they doing

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or are they they I don't know if there

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are they I actually want to talk to

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Gerry because I have come up with

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something that says there is a

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relationship between consciousness and

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the phenomenon is reported whatever it

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is is sort of my another one terribly

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complex I don't know what it is but it's

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not one simple thing in my view is it

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true that the event of a bustle of

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Belgium the object remain stationary in

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the sky for a while the event in Belgium

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what about it oh wait now I understand

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there are many events that happened in

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Belgium there were the ones for the big

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triangles that went over you had the

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ones where the fighters went out and

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chased them they came to us and he

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working periodically with NATO at the

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time saying you know aren't they yours

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or whatever the bottom line is not the

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point a lot of phenomena who got to get

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credit to de Brouwer was a lieutenant

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colonel at the time reported it and went

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on to make major generals so it didn't

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stop him but lots and lots of sightings

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are this will be the last question John

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in your experience do you have any

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visibility into the unacknowledged

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special access programs which would be

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the likely place to research this sort

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of phenomenon or try to reverse-engineer

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it that's where I would hide it

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i 100% disagree with the knowledge even

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the concept of unacknowledged saps know

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how the system works the people who make

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these comments use they have been

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outside the system have never played in

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there can you hide money the answer is

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obviously yes

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the smaller the amount of money the

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easier it is to hide obviously though

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you have thresholds when you have to

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report but you've got to just understand

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how the system works and particularly

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now and in the particularly recent years

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everything in the budget is being cut in

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the screen and this includes the black

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world as well as the white world so